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College is a reward for surviving high school. – Judd Apatow

Let’s face the facts. A college degree is not as valuable as it used to be.

Many folks are landing starting salaries well below what it cost them to get that required degree before starting that job that pays less than what it cost to go to school to qualify for the job in the first place.  

According to PayScale, the typical college graduate with zero to five years of experience is raking in $48,400.

The National Association of Colleges and Employers (NACE) states that average starting salary for graduates is about $50,004. So what does that say about paying $100,000 for that creative writing degree? That it is overpriced.

Let’s get down to brace tacks.

HOW MUCH MORE IS COLLEGE TODAY?

The price of college has now outpaced inflation.

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The average yearly cost of 4-year public college cost from 1971-2016:

2016: $20,967

1971: 8,734

140.1% increase in college costs

During that same period of time wages decreased by 5.4% over those 45 years.

You read that right. Wages actually went DOWN instead of UP with a college degree in your hand.

See my post College Alternatives that could save you $100,000

WHAT IS THE PRICE OF COLLEGE VS THE VALUE OF YOUR EDUCATION?

After you get that degree, then you have go out and get that coveted job. You want a great starting salary, but most employers will tell you they cannot quantify your knowledge but so much.

Really?

Cause college are sure about to slap a price tag on getting that knowledge.

Why not offer the same salary as the cost of the degree?

For instance, if you pay $45,000 for your sociology degree, then that would be your starting salary.

Let’s think about that for a second.

What if colleges and employers printed the cost of degree and payment for that degree? Then you would see something like this:

Petroleum/Mechanical Engineering: Degree cost and starting salary $90,000.

Psychology: Degree cost and starting salary $47,000.

That would alleviate a lot of stress and salary negotiations right there.

THE MOST EXPENSIVE DEGREES ON THE PLANET

“A university is just a group of buildings gathered around a library.” ― Shelby Foote

Education is an asset. And investing a great deal of money in a degree doesn’t necessarily guarantee a first-class education. However, it can alter the trajectory of your life if you are able to parlay all those late nights writing papers into some serious coin.

As of 2019, Harvey Mudd College has taken the crown for the most expensive college in the world costing students approximately $57,401 for the upcoming 2019/2020 academic school year.

If we time that by four, which is being nice considering the average college kid is graduation in 5-6 years, then we get a mind-blowing $229,604!

For some perspective, if we invest that money instead over four years and let it ride, then after 30 years with an 8% return you would have $2,310,426.27! Yes, those four years cost you over $2 MILLION!

You literally could have used your college savings and invested every penny in the stock market and gotten a higher return than what many will get after 10 years of drudgery repaying that $200,000.

It gets even more expensive if your kid starts in at the top and goes to a private school from K-12. This could cost you even more and the losses start to really pile up!

Say those adolescent years are spent in some swanky private school at $50,000 a year. Over the course of 13 years, you would have paid $650,000! Add that $229,604 and you are staring at education bills of almost $900,000!

I would take a check for $900,000 at the age of 22 any day of the week over going to fancy private schools for 17 years!

And just in case you were wondering.

If you invest that $50,000 private school money over 13 years in the stock market, you would have $1,160,746.02 with an 8% return. And add in four years of college, that would net you $1,822,512.19.

Going to public school isn’t looking so bad now is it?

Here are some of the most expensive colleges in the United States and the world.

These 12 colleges are currently the most expensive in the United States:

12. Duke University (18)
2018-19 Tuition & Fees: $55,960

11. Bucknell University
2018-19 Tuition & Fees: $56,092

10. University of Southern California
2018-19 Tuition & Fees: $56,225

9. Tufts University
2018-19 Tuition & Fees: $56,382

8. Amherst College
2018-19 Tuition & Fees: $56,426

7. Franklin and Marshall College
2018-19 Tuition & Fees: $56,550

6. Landmark College
2018-19 Tuition & Fees: $56,800

5. Harvey Mudd College
2018-19 Tuition & Fees: $56,876

4. Trinity College
2018-19 Tuition & Fees: $56,910

3. Vassar College
2018-19 Tuition & Fees: $56,960

2. University of Chicago
2018-19 Tuition & Fees: $57,006

1. Columbia University
2018-19 Tuition & Fees: $59, 430

These 11 colleges are currently the most expensive in the world:

11. Yale University
2018-19 Tuition & Fees: $49,480

10. UCL (University College London)
2018-19 Tuition & Fees: £9,250 or $12,080 USD

9. ETH Zurich (Switzerland)
2018-19 Tuition & Fees: CHF 1,298 (~US$1,310)

8. University of Chicago
2018-19 Tuition & Fees: $57,006

7. Princeton University
2018-19 Tuition & Fees: $43,450

6. California Institute of Technology
2018-19 Tuition & Fees: $45,390

5. University of Oxford
2018-19 Tuition & Fees: £9,250 or $12,080 USD

4. Harvard University
2018-19 Tuition & Fees: $46,340

3. University of Cambridge UK (United Kingdom)
2018-19 Tuition & Fees: £9,250 or $12,080 USD

2. Stanford University
2018-19 Tuition & Fees: $46,320

1. Massachusetts Institute of Technology
2018-19 Tuition & Fees: $47,704

Those are expensive colleges.

Did you know you could go to university cheaper abroad?

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For some perspective on exactly how expensive colleges are in the United States, as an international student you could go to the same college as Prince William and Duchess Kate Middleton for less than it costs to go to Harvard, Yale, or Princeton! The cost is £20,770 or $27,125 USD. That is what it would cost annually to attend the University of St Andrews.

NOT ALL DEGREES ARE CREATED EQUAL

Education is not an equalizer. If you go to the same college as a science nerd majoring in Math, while you are majoring in philosophy, you both are not on equal footing by a long shot.

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In light of the recent college bribery scandal, let’s talk top-tier universities.

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If you were to get an acceptance into Yale or Duke University, congrats to you, as you are among the college elite. However, don’t break out the celebratory champagne just yet.

Although you and another student may be paying the same amount to go Duke, if you major in a different field, then that degree can easily eclipse yours.

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Put it this way. You and another student both pay $48,000 a year over four years. That is $192,000. You become an engineer raking in big bucks right after grad by getting a starting salary of $95,000. Your friend on the other hand, let’s call him Joe, majored in piano or violin and is only able to get a starting salary as a backing musician for $38,000.  

That is a difference of $57,000 a year.

You ask how is that so? We went to the same university. We paid the same amount.

Yes, but your degree is in higher demand than Joe’s.

Then you may ask yourself: Well why didn’t Joe pick a more in demand degree? And therein lies the rub.

Joe is a skilled musician. That is where his passion and interest lie. Even if he would have seen a brochure, which there aren’t any in wide circulation on any college campuses that I have ever been to, showing the starting salaries of majors he still would have chosen music.

The playing field of majors is not level. Therefore, you need to decide before you even step foot on a college campus what you want to be.

This is a small list of what employers are paying for college majors.

My suggestion is that you do a search on what it costs and what it pays to be a lawyer, accountant, doctor, or violinist. When you know what your options are, then you can at least make an informed decision.

Meet an orthodontist with $1 million in student loan debt

Unless you have not been reading headline making news lately, then you have heard of the man who ran up a tab of over a million dollars to become an orthodontist. It was featured in the Wall Street Journal and has attracted a lot of attention. His name is Dr. Mike Meru. He owes approximately $1,060,945.42 as of the reporting of the article in May 2018. There are only 101 people with $1 million in student loan debt. He is one of those people. Here is how this went down.

HOW TO GO FROM DEBT FREE TO OWING $1M IN 13 YEARS

Mr. Meru grew up in California. He has two brothers and is the eldest of the three. His parents said they would help pay for college. He got through undergrad with the help of his parents and by working through school. He graduated in 2005 from Brigham Young debt-free.

From there he decided to go to dental school.

Before we go any further in this story, I want you readers to know that becoming a doctor is incredibly expensive. It is not uncommon to have medical students be in debt for hundreds of thousands of dollars. Anywhere from $200,000-300,000 in medical school debt is their reality.  Dental school is also one of the most expensive programs and can cost upwards of $70,000 or more per year.

Getting back to Mr. Meru, he was informed that going to dental school would cost anywhere from a price tag of $400,000-$450,000 in student loans plus interest.

For me, this is a red flag. Even if you can earn a six-figure salary as a doctor, I am risk-averse and would be turned away by this eye-popping amount. However, if your goal is to be a doctor and be of help and in service to others, then this is what the cost will be.

FROM $0 IN STUDENT LOANS TO $340,000 IN FOUR YEARS

He then chooses one of the most prestigious institutions for dentistry: University of Southern California.  This is what he paid for four years of school from 2005-2009:

Year one at end he owed: $43,000

Year two at end he owed: $115,000

Year three at end he owed: $230,000

Year four at end he owed: $340,000

Dr. Meru has now finished dental school. He owes over a quarter of a million dollars in debt within four years of graduating from college debt-free.

Keep in mind that college tuition goes up every year around the country. USC is no exception. In addition, interest rates have gone up on student loans as well. In the WSJ article, his loans were at various interest rates throughout his time at school. Also, tuition increases at USC would go for about 6%. This is a huge amount of money. For instance, a 6% increase over 3 years would be the equivalent of an 18% increase in tuition by overall from start to finish.

The cost of college is going up faster than the cost of inflation. Generally, inflation goes up by about 3% annually increasing the costs of goods and services. Therefore, if it cost a dollar ($1.00) last year it will now cost $1.03 this year. Imagine paying 6% on $50,000 and then 6% on 53,000 and so on, all the while you are also accruing interest on this borrowed amount.

You are getting hit with a two combo even worse than Mike Tyson could ever do.

First, you get hit with tuition increases of 6% in this case. Second, you pay interest on the loans you take out of approximately $50,000 per year. The compound interest is brutal.

In the article, it states that Dr. Meru found his calling as orthodontics changed his life as a teenager. However, the one caveat he did not take into consideration: inflation. If you want to learn more about inflation, read my article Money Lessons I learned from Scrooge McDuck. The cost of becoming a doctor 20-25 years ago was cheaper then as it is way more expensive now.

This is not the first time I have seen people take bets like this on their education.

If you were to do some research, you will find that 50 plus years ago education was pretty reasonable and in many cases more  affordable. I will provide one such case below.

In the book, Generation Debt by Anya Kamenetz, a Yallie that was born toward the end of the 1970’s, stated in her book that her parents old college professors were in shock at the sticker price of Yale over a seven year time period which had risen- from $30,000 to almost $39,000. Her own father, who attended Yale on a scholarship, had appropriately asked the justification of the tuition increases. This considering when he went there the price was…wait for it…$3,000. That means within one generation tuition has increased $1,000% or to roughly 10 times the cost.

The absolute saddest and funniest part of the book, in my opinion, was at the high school graduation brunch of her younger sister. Her parents also wanted her sister to go to Yale, but cited cost concerns and rightly so. The speaker said of the 180 graduates they would divide $18 million in scholarships- that’ll just about get them to Thanksgiving. That was putting it mildly.

The problem is that education is not an equalizer. Although, there is nothing wrong with getting a good education. And going to a great school with high-quality education is awesome; some people may have to simply understand that it may not be the best option for them individually.

The jury is still out on the value of an education. Sure, they let you know on college brochures and in the media that a college degree can net you more than $1 million more in lifetime income, but in Dr. Meru’s case did it also say that if you flip a coin, it could be the opposite and you could owe $1 million dollars? I don’t think so.

Many employers are paying in wages nowhere near the cost of college.

I have read that some places cannot put a dollar amount on how much to pay their employees for their degree, but colleges have put a price on it as USC cost Dr. Meru over $400k.

FROM $340,000 IN STUDENT LOANS TO $601,506 IN THREE YEARS

You would think by finishing dental school that his education was done and over with. Alas, then there is residency, which is training for doctors. However, for dental specialists this costs too. Many doctors are paid while in residency, but Dr. Meru must continue to pay for training for an additional three years FROM 2009-2012. This would increase his debt to over $600,000.

FROM $601,506 IN STUDENT LOANS TO $1,060,945.42 IN SIX YEARS

Pay close attention here because things move really quickly.

He consolidates after finishing all his education and training. He then owes $724,817 by 2012-2013. This includes in interest and principal as a consolidation not only changes your repayment terms, interest rate, and payment amount but interest can capitalize. Capitalization is what makes student loans such a slippery slope. It makes you owe interest on top of interest making it harder to get it paid off.

From there he continues to accrue interest and owes $882,300 by 2015.

Within 3 years, interest continues and grows the debt to $1,060,945.42 by 2018.

How is this even possible? In 2005, Congress created Grad PLUS loans that removed loan limits and allows student to borrow for every expense from tuition to rent and living expenses. Dangerous.

He is now making monthly payments of $1,589.97. He has two daughters, a wife, a $400,000 mortgage, a $225,000 salary and is accruing $130 per day in interest on his loans, which is $3,900 per month and $47,000 per year.

If not for Income-based repayment, he would have to pay $10,541.91 per month. Instead, he pays about $1,600. This does not pay all the interest that is accruing and does not even touch his principal. Within 20 years he will owe $2 million. If forgiven, he will owe $700,000 in income taxes. Currently, his take-home pay after income taxes is $13,333 per month. That means if he pays the $10k monthly payment, he would have his debt paid off in about 13 years, but bring home less than $3,000 per month.

 WHY SO MUCH DEBT?

Keep in mind that it is mostly graduate students that end up in the most debt. With the cost of graduate school (2-4 years) easily topping $20,000 or more per year, it can dwarf undergraduate costs. Over 20 years ago no undergrad or graduate students owed six-figures of student loan debt. Today, over 2.5 million of graduate students do.

After reading about Dr. Meru’s story, I feel that there is a serious problem with the funding of higher education. I want people to be doing the opposite of owing interest on a $1 million and instead be earning interest on this amount of money.

I want people to have the trifecta of retirement funds- pension or 401(k), savings, social security. Over a 30 year career you want to have a paid for home, 25 times your annual income in a retirement account, and be able to get social security or have at least two forms of income to supplement your savings.

In the article, his wife said there are a few things that are OK to go into debt for: a home, an automobile, an education. I have to disagree. I say if you can avoid all debt, then do it. Pay cash for all your purchases. For a car you need one loan. Same goes for a home. However, her husband needed 50 loans to fund his education.

If you are unsure why or how you will pay cash for all purchases, let the advice of these millionaires be your guide.

Mark Cuban, billionaire owner of the Mavericks, says if you use a credit card, then you do not want to be rich.

Kevin O’Leary, shark tank entrepreneur, says all debt is evil.

David Bach, financial advisor and author of the Automatic Millionaire, says all debt is bad debt.

I rest my case.